tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594289174059583082.post6715036134417426541..comments2023-07-01T07:46:37.936-07:00Comments on Palmetto State Thoughts: The Chinese MartyrsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594289174059583082.post-65656966889736515992008-07-12T19:25:00.000-07:002008-07-12T19:25:00.000-07:00I'm sure their is some truth to what you say, but ...I'm sure their is some truth to what you say, but I think the problem is deeper. Take the Ugandan martyrs, for example. There were both Catholic and Protestant martyrs, but I never heard of them until I read James Martin's My Life With the Saints.<BR/><BR/>I think we Protestants (at least the liberal mainline denominations I'm familiar with) don't like talking about saints or martyrdom. I think there are multiple reasons. Some is probably subtle anti-Catholicism. (Saints are a Catholic thing.) Another factor is our general lack of historical perspective. (If the world started with Martin Luther, we don't worry too much about what went on in the early centuries of the Church.<BR/><BR/>But the biggest reason, IMHO, is that stories like this make us uncomfortable. If we are really preaching universalism with a thin veneer of Christianity, we don't really know if their sacrifice was worth it. I've heard a lot of sermons in my lifetime in mainly United Methodist and Presbyterian Church USA churches and, unfortunately, that's my take on it. I hope I'm wrong.MHLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17283981695859909773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594289174059583082.post-15340249960087867992008-07-12T08:55:00.000-07:002008-07-12T08:55:00.000-07:00That link:http://www.jesuits.ca/Ania2002/English/m...That link:<BR/>http://www.jesuits.ca/Ania2002/English/<BR/>martyrs.html#joguesUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381650989216625817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6594289174059583082.post-49815869124748579912008-07-12T08:46:00.000-07:002008-07-12T08:46:00.000-07:00Hi,Presumably you didn't hear about those particul...Hi,<BR/>Presumably you didn't hear about those particular martyrs because they were Catholic Christians. It must have been felt within Protestant circles that talking about such people would be tantamount to promoting Catholicism. I remember Marcus Grodi saying he never heard of the eight North American martyrs until he was a Catholic (http://www.jesuits.ca/Ania2002/English/martyrs.html#jogues).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381650989216625817noreply@blogger.com